Ok, who did this? T53
Ok, who did this? T53
Came across a very nice 1955 t53 mosin. Kind of an odd one. All the numbers match including the questionable bolt. I have seen some pictures of serial numbers located on the flat part of the bolt bud only in pictures. Mostly finn capture Mosins. This t53 mosin appears to be made from a ex sniper rifle?? Please let me know what y'all think. Who would repair a sniper to male a mosin carbine? It is imported thru navy arms.
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Re: Ok, who did this? T53
Pictures?
Leave it as it is. The ages have been at work on it and man can only mar it.
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Re: Ok, who did this? T53
I see nothing that shows it's a T53 in these photos.
Looks like a refurbished ex-sniper Russian rifle.
Need to see the top of the barrel shank and any import mark and at least the "entire rifle in one photo".
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Looks like a refurbished ex-sniper Russian rifle.
Need to see the top of the barrel shank and any import mark and at least the "entire rifle in one photo".
Darryl
Re: Ok, who did this? T53
Hello, still trying to figure out how to put pictures on here. Navy arms import from China.
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Possibly another Balkans war rifle refurbished in Albania? The last batch of these to come in some years back now contained many rifles with interesting repairs both done by the users in the 90's Balkan war and before that by Albania for issue to their own military.
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Pull the action out of the wood, flip it over and look at the rear tank portion of the receiver where the action screw goes through it. There may be a date and arsenal stamp here. If the typical Chinese markings are scrubbed from the barrel then maybe they were never there to start with if an older barreled receiver was recycled for this M44
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Re: Ok, who did this? T53
Hello and thanks for the info. The tang has been scrubbed. Other then the obvious bolt everything seems original. Could the bolt possibly be original to the rifle?
Re: Ok, who did this? T53
While not always the case the following is the accepted way to tell if matching or forced matched.
Barrel shank, magazine floor plate, bolt, and buttplate if matching would have the complete serial number and in the same font. If so it's matching, if not it's forced matched, if any of those parts are missing the SN its been scrubbed and not renumbered therefore none matching.
If this bolt is straight and the receiver was recycled from a sniper rifle, then chances are the bolt was forced matched.
This link to the page of the knowledge base talks about force matching.
https://russian-mosin-nagant-forum.com/app.php/page/56
Barrel shank, magazine floor plate, bolt, and buttplate if matching would have the complete serial number and in the same font. If so it's matching, if not it's forced matched, if any of those parts are missing the SN its been scrubbed and not renumbered therefore none matching.
If this bolt is straight and the receiver was recycled from a sniper rifle, then chances are the bolt was forced matched.
This link to the page of the knowledge base talks about force matching.
https://russian-mosin-nagant-forum.com/app.php/page/56
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Re: Ok, who did this? T53
Hello, thank you for your service. It is a bent bolt. I'm still trying to post pictures. Computers and the web passed me up long ago.
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Thank you it was an honor and privilege to serve. I was modifying my post when you replied, so the information is a bit different then when you read it.
The font of the SN is going to be the deciding factor. If you post pictures of the 4 SN parts we can tell you. If you're having problems posting pics, email me at ffuries@comcast.net and I'll post them for you.
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Re: Ok, who did this? T53
Sent some pictures to your email. I can send more if needed
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Serial numbered parts rotated and cropped.
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Re: Ok, who did this? T53
I'll see what the smart people say, but the fonts don't appear to match. But I don't know if this applies to Chinese rifles or not. Magazine floor plate and buttplate fonts match each other, but don't match the bolt and barrel as the fonts appear to be different. At least to me they don't match. 2 of the SNs have open top fours and the other 2 don't. Plus some of the other numbers look different to me.
Plus I don't know if the Chinese dated their receiver tang. So the questions are....
Is the receiver a Chinese made one or a recycled Soviet one?
Did Bubba scope the rifle?
Bubba likes scopes and thinks everything that goes bang should have one. Doesn't appear to be a shortened M91/30 stock, so a purpose made carbine stock. Bolt handle looks like its been welded to the body as it looks chewed up and lumpy there.
I don't think in my limited knowledge that the Chinese or Russian carbines were snipered. I'm leaning towards Bubba......IMHO! But I could be wrong!
Plus I don't know if the Chinese dated their receiver tang. So the questions are....
Is the receiver a Chinese made one or a recycled Soviet one?
Did Bubba scope the rifle?
Bubba likes scopes and thinks everything that goes bang should have one. Doesn't appear to be a shortened M91/30 stock, so a purpose made carbine stock. Bolt handle looks like its been welded to the body as it looks chewed up and lumpy there.
I don't think in my limited knowledge that the Chinese or Russian carbines were snipered. I'm leaning towards Bubba......IMHO! But I could be wrong!
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"... Bubba......IMHO!"
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OK, it's a T53 barrel
Looks like a Russian stock, not Chinese.
Russians never stamped their serial numbers on the side of the bolt like that. It is on the side that the handle is on.
Don't know what to say about that one. It is mismatched for sure.
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Looks like a Russian stock, not Chinese.
Russians never stamped their serial numbers on the side of the bolt like that. It is on the side that the handle is on.
Don't know what to say about that one. It is mismatched for sure.
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I'm guessing the Chinese had Soviet PU sniper rifles ? He said the tang had been scrubbed, makes me think the Chinese recycled a PU receiver. I don't have a T-53 anymore, weren't they all low wall receivers ? Maybe it got some bad muzzle damage and they made a carbine out of it.
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