1896 Tula action with 1921 Izhevsk Barrel Stamp..Huh?

[ymaw2016]

So I am confused and asking for the wisdom of the Forum
This is my second post on my rifle
Thank you to all who responded to my first post with info
My ex dragoon 91/30 has a stamp on the rear underside tang indicating 1896 manufacture at Tula
The Barrel stamp indicates 1921 Izhevsk
I don't know much about the detailed history of these rifles
Can someone offer insight into the possible circumstances of this

Thanks Very Much
Bryan
Vancouver Canada

[qz2026]

Pretty sweet since your gun is also an antique, at least by federal law. Your state might be different. It was relatively common to have a different barrel and receiver combination with these ex dragoons. Likely that the original barrel for this receiver was damaged or unserviceable so they used a spare receiver. Actually during the war many war years a fair number of Mosins (even carbines) received older hex receivers that were in storage since they could not keep up with production. You'll see 1944 dated 91/30's with hex receivers once in a while. I had a couple of them at one time, several M-44's and even an M-38.

As you can see right now as they send their inexperienced troops into action how they could lose tons of small arms and vehicles. During the war they were first not prepared and secondly they lost too many soldiers and their rifles. As a result, they ended up having shortages of receivers.

[ymaw2016]

So the barrel and receiver were manufactured separately?

[millman]

So the barrel and receiver were manufactured separately?

Yes.

[ymaw2016]

how are they connected
threaded and screwed together or other method?

[millman]

The barrel screws into the receiver.

[ymaw2016]

so that's why there is an imperial eagle stamp in the receiver and a hammer/sickle stamp on the barrel shank
cool!

[ymaw2016]

this is stamped on the underside of the barrel shank
is it possible that the barrel and receiver were combined in 1927?

[qz2026]

Anything is possible with the Russians. No one knows when the were mated. I don't think the bottom of the barrel would indicate anything about when the barrel and the receiver were matched. There would be no reason to do this.

[ymaw2016]

very cool
thanks so much

[ssg_lord]

The Russians were chronically short of rifles during WW1, their arsenals were running flat out producing Mosin's and they still had to purchase hundreds of thousands of rifles from other nations to arm their troops. During this time many damaged Mosin's were recovered from the battlefields and shipped back to Tula and Izhevsk for repairs but due to the constant pressure to produce new weapons most of these damaged rifles were placed in storage and never repaired. After the Russian Revolution the Soviets struggled to reestablish Mosin production and they reused many of the receivers from these damaged rifles as the receiver is the most expensive part of the rifle. It's common to find early to mid 1920's Mosin's with receivers dated earlier than the barrel due to this.

[icarus]

We're in the same club, Bryan. I just found out my "1897 Tula" barrel has an 1895 Châtellerault receiver.
Pics at viewtopic.php?f=5&t=35586.
I'm not trying to hijack your thread, just add more information on the topic.
Have a good day.

[ymaw2016]

Hey it's all good sir
I am a sponge for info on these rifles
it's freakin fascinating
now I understand why people become collectors
It doesn't matter how common these things are, you are still holding a piece of history in your hands

[icarus]

No kidding. Ditto your take. Their history is fascinating, thought provoking and grounding. Glad you weren't offended by my contribution.

[SA1911a1]

Those two components may have been mated up in '42, when the Russians found a huge stash of old receivers that had been rejected for some minor reason but were found to be serviceable. When you get in a tight your standards go down a little. It is like closing time at the bar.

[ymaw2016]

Range Day last Saturday
I shot 100 rounds
this is my 50 yard grouping
the gun is shooting well

[icarus]

Nice group. I might have to take mine to the range. It's always been a safe queen. KInd of cool to have a 120+ year old rifle still produce results. Great post.

[ymaw2016]

Thanks
I still need to give the front sight another little tap
At 100 and 200 yards it is still pulling a touch to the right
It’s so Russian to adjust the front sight with a hammer and punch
Hilarious

[icarus]

Yes it is, comrade!