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Help needed
Hi, I got new gun and trying to put together what i got. Definitely, this stock is not original for this gun. The barrel marked1917 Sestroretsk and stock looks like 1895. It has multiple marks on it. One of them looks like original tula with date 1895. However, I don't see hammer there. I see hammer on some parts, for example on bands. Also, there are letters 'A' and 'B'. It's missing standard holes for sling and somebody just drilled round ones and inserted metal rings. Another strange thing is a cut on barrel just above Sestroretsk logo. Never saw it before. It came with leather sling. I search online and suspect it is Austrian captured gun. But I don't see any marks on barrel and reciever. Please, help. Thank you.
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The rings are correct for a stock of that age, the parts mix is normal for pretty much any Mosin that old as they have been refurbished or repaired many times after multiple wars. Nice example, and it still has it's cleaning rod and markings are not defaced.
Leave it as it is. The ages have been at work on it and man can only mar it.
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Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.
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Thank you. What do you think about my guess about Austrian captured gun ? And what about this cut on last picture? I never saw anything like this before.
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One thing is certain about Mosin Nagant rifles, it is that nothing is certain. You have a nice rifle; congrats!
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The cut made so the rear sight clears the barrel? That's common because the sight does tend to hit there on most of these M91's.
Leave it as it is. The ages have been at work on it and man can only mar it.
Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.
Theodore Roosevelt
Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.
Theodore Roosevelt
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This looks like what used to be called a Balkan rifle. I think you are right that it was an Austrian capture.
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I also found example of round mark on wood stock. Looks like it's Châtellerault mark . Here to compare.
https://www.gunboards.com/threads/1893- ... t-11080564
https://www.gunboards.com/threads/1893- ... t-11080564
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I never saw anything like this. Who did it, Finns?Junk Yard Dog wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 4:47 pm The cut made so the rear sight clears the barrel? That's common because the sight does tend to hit there on most of these M91's.
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It's difficult to piece your rifle together. It could have been a barreled action that somebody used that stock with. Could have been a WW1 captured rifle that was paired with that stock during WW1 or after WW1. I don't know who the stock maker is. Some people know the stock markings of rifles during that time, I am not familiar with them.
From what I've been told, the "A" marking is Austrian marking. The sling swivels would have been added prior to U.S. import. I don't know if Austrians used different sling set ups. Generally, Austrian captured stocks had the swivel hole drilled in the fore arm, and a bottom swivel added to the butt stock. There may have been different methods depending on what armory the rifle went through. The copper swivel is something added in the states to make up for a missing swivel. As far as I know, the Austrian swivels were also similar to the metal Finnish sling swivels--a swivel held in place by a screw.
The notch in the barrel is fairly common on M91s. I don't know what country did this. I assume it was done to keep the rear sight ladder from hitting the barrel. Your rifle doesn't really have any Finnish traits; so, Finland would not have added that notch.
From what I've been told, the "A" marking is Austrian marking. The sling swivels would have been added prior to U.S. import. I don't know if Austrians used different sling set ups. Generally, Austrian captured stocks had the swivel hole drilled in the fore arm, and a bottom swivel added to the butt stock. There may have been different methods depending on what armory the rifle went through. The copper swivel is something added in the states to make up for a missing swivel. As far as I know, the Austrian swivels were also similar to the metal Finnish sling swivels--a swivel held in place by a screw.
The notch in the barrel is fairly common on M91s. I don't know what country did this. I assume it was done to keep the rear sight ladder from hitting the barrel. Your rifle doesn't really have any Finnish traits; so, Finland would not have added that notch.
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I think this wood stock from another rifle. The Austrians marked the captured rifles "A", "AZF", “T”, “W” on the barrel. The top wood cover is also not from this set.