Blasted Bubba! M28/30 Bedding Removal Help Needed!

TnBuckeye · Post by **TnBuckeye** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:49 pm

I have a M28/30 that is pretty nice EXCEPT...

...it looks like Bubba bedded the action. In the photos you can see the red stuff oozing up between the metal and the stock. This looks to run from right in front of the rear sight base area back behind the chamber.

My question is this: is it possible to get the action out of the stock and clean that mess up without destroying the stock?

Tips, tricks, techniques and ALL advice appreciated! Thanks in advance!

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Post by **Junk Yard Dog** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:53 pm

Magic? Beyond that I have no experience with that shit since I used it to patch holes in my shitbox 1974 Duster, only we called it Bondo back then.

TnBuckeye · Post by **TnBuckeye** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:59 pm

It seems to be stout stuff. Really holding on tight.

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steelbuttplate · Post by **steelbuttplate** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 7:36 pm

Get all thats visible off of there and leave the rest alone.

Miller Tyme · Post by **Miller Tyme** » Fri Dec 22, 2017 8:02 pm

Looks like high temp silicone caulk. If that is the case you might damage the stock trying to get it apart.

AMCHornet · Post by **AMCHornet** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 1:49 am

If that really is Permatex high temp silicone, then that ranks among one of the most redneck things I've ever seen.

As an auto mechanic, I have some tricks for removing automotive silicone sealer if that is truly what that orange gunk is, but you first need to verify if it is silicone. Messing with it at all risks cracking the stock or breaking it entirely. It depends on what that orange gunk is and how extensively they used it.

If it is silicone and they only applied it under the chamber and receiver (not in the hand guard area) then I think I know a way you could remove the action without damaging the stock. You still face the problem of how to remove the silicone from the stock once the action is out. It will adhere like glue to the wood and will have to be manually and carefully scraped out. In that light you might not want to mess with it.

TnBuckeye · Post by **TnBuckeye** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 5:58 am

AMCHornet wrote:If that really is Permatex high temp silicone, then that ranks among one of the most redneck things I've ever seen.

As an auto mechanic, I have some tricks for removing automotive silicone sealer if that is truly what that orange gunk is, but you first need to verify if it is silicone. Messing with it at all risks cracking the stock or breaking it entirely. It depends on what that orange gunk is and how extensively they used it.

If it is silicone and they only applied it under the chamber and receiver (not in the hand guard area) then I think I know a way you could remove the action without damaging the stock. You still face the problem of how to remove the silicone from the stock once the action is out. It will adhere like glue to the wood and will have to be manually and carefully scraped out. In that light you might not want to mess with it.

It is “interesting” for sure.

The photos and lighting aren’t great but in person it looks more red than orange.

It is only under the action, not in the barrel channel. And really under the rear sight base and chamber best I can tell.

It is initially hard as a rock. But I have tried soaking that seam between the wood and metal with Ballistol and after a while it gets more gummy than rock hard. At least the top portion anyway.

I am leaning towards carefully working with an exacto knife to remove what I can and leaving the rest. I don’t like that but I am really concerned about damaging the stock.

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zeebill · Post by **zeebill** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:14 am

First off shoot it and see how that goes. If it shoots well make the red stuff less conspicuous from the outside chipping at it with strong bladed knife of some sort. You are going to have to get that action out of the stock someway too It may be hard or easy it has to come out of there somehow. I have had 3 of these rifle like the one you have only each time the material was not red in color. Once it was a green color and the other two times it was a yellow like acra glass color. The yellow stuff was the hardest to remove. I used nothing but patience little and carving bits from a wood working kit to get it out. One of them I own yet has the filler still in there and all I did was make it less obvious to the holder. Why I did that is because it shoots very well that way. The other two were not good shooters with or without the filler bedding in there. Looking back on them I would say the near 308 bore was too tight for the surplus I was shooting through them back then. I saw no signs of over pressurizing but being that tight on the bullet tends to make them erratic in flight and of course accuracy suffers. Be patient and try the rifle before you start thinking you have trash. Bill

TnBuckeye · Post by **TnBuckeye** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:56 am

zeebill wrote:First off shoot it and see how that goes. If it shoots well make the red stuff less conspicuous from the outside chipping at it with strong bladed knife of some sort. You are going to have to get that action out of the stock someway too It may be hard or easy it has to come out of there somehow. I have had 3 of these rifle like the one you have only each time the material was not red in color. Once it was a green color and the other two times it was a yellow like acra glass color. The yellow stuff was the hardest to remove. I used nothing but patience little and carving bits from a wood working kit to get it out. One of them I own yet has the filler still in there and all I did was make it less obvious to the holder. Why I did that is because it shoots very well that way. The other two were not good shooters with or without the filler bedding in there. Looking back on them I would say the near 308 bore was too tight for the surplus I was shooting through them back then. I saw no signs of over pressurizing but being that tight on the bullet tends to make them erratic in flight and of course accuracy suffers. Be patient and try the rifle before you start thinking you have trash. Bill

Thanks Bill will do.

And I will try to get some better outdoors photos up of the entire thing once the weather cooperates, which will likely be after Christmas it looks like.

Thanks everyone for your thoughts on the situation so far.

And MERRY CHRISTMAS [emoji319] [emoji319] [emoji319] TO ALL!!!

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musketjon · Post by **musketjon** » Sun Dec 24, 2017 2:14 pm

An old trick to removing a stuck, bedded stock and action is to literally freeze them. If you have a freezer big enough, put the rifle in the freezer for a couple of days. The metal will shrink more than either the wood or bedding material. Some times the act of freezing/contracting will be enough for the parts to pull themselves apart. Sometimes they need a little persuation. Good luck in your new-found endeavor.
Jon

TnBuckeye · Post by **TnBuckeye** » Sun Dec 24, 2017 3:09 pm

musketjon wrote:An old trick to removing a stuck, bedded stock and action is to literally freeze them. If you have a freezer big enough, put the rifle in the freezer for a couple of days. The metal will shrink more than either the wood or bedding material. Some times the act of freezing/contracting will be enough for the parts to pull themselves apart. Sometimes they need a little persuation. Good luck in your new-found endeavor.
Jon

For now it is coming along nicely with Ballistol (per Capt14k) and the Exacto. And while I don’t have a freezer large enough for it, I might at some point wait for a really cold night and leave it in the garage and see what happens.

But aesthetically it is much better than when I started so that is progress!

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Post by **millman** » Sun Dec 24, 2017 5:06 pm

I have read this thread a few times, and completely understand your resolve on removing this bubba shit from your rifle. That said. Did you shoot it with the gunk?

TnBuckeye · Post by **TnBuckeye** » Sun Dec 24, 2017 7:20 pm

millman wrote:I have read this thread a few times, and completely understand your resolve on removing this bubba shit from your rifle. That said. Did you shoot it with the gunk?

Haven’t shot it yet. May have the chance to do so Tuesday or Wednesday if the weather in Middle TN cooperates. Will report back, hopefully with better photos too.

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Post by **Junk Yard Dog** » Mon Dec 25, 2017 11:10 am

My 20/30 looks like it's seen every war of the early 20th century yet it will bullseye a fleas ass at 200 yards or more. The Finn's knew about bedding, you would have to search long to find anything they didn't know about accurizing a rifle. If the 28/30 had needed bedding they would have come up with a way to do it, they didn't, that tells you something right there.

TnBuckeye · Post by **TnBuckeye** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 1:04 pm

Still haven’t shot it...smoked brisket and entertaining the in laws today.

But here are a few outdoor photos...

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Post by **millman** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:05 pm

TnBuckeye wrote:Still haven’t shot it...smoked brisket and entertaining the in laws today.
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I have found brisket hard to light.

Post by **Junk Yard Dog** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:10 pm

Give it to me, I am an expert at cremating meat in the oven ( other foods too) I do it quite frequently.

TnBuckeye · Post by **TnBuckeye** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:12 pm

millman wrote:
TnBuckeye wrote:Still haven’t shot it...smoked brisket and entertaining the in laws today.
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I have found brisket hard to light.

LOL!!!

But it is VERY easy to eat when prepared properly. At this point the entire house smells like it, which is not a bad thing!

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Post by **millman** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:17 pm

TnBuckeye wrote:
millman wrote:
TnBuckeye wrote:Still haven’t shot it...smoked brisket and entertaining the in laws today.
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I have found brisket hard to light.
LOL!!!

But it is VERY easy to eat when prepared properly. At this point the entire house smells like it, which is not a bad thing!

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I agree. I have found only 2 places in KY that make it right.

TnBuckeye · Post by **TnBuckeye** » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:37 pm

I have to make it myself to have decent brisket here in TN. I like pork bbq and all but there is nothing like nice smoked beef.

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