Cap and Ball revolver???
Cap and Ball revolver???
Been looking at some Pietta black powder revolvers (online) and sure would love to get one but I think I should ask a few questions here first.
Which would you guys recommend a .36 or a .44?
Short barrel or long barrel?
Brass frame or steel?
The brass looks nice but is it as strong as the steel frame models? Like the looks of the 1851 Navy.
Sooooo much to learn.
Which would you guys recommend a .36 or a .44?
Short barrel or long barrel?
Brass frame or steel?
The brass looks nice but is it as strong as the steel frame models? Like the looks of the 1851 Navy.
Sooooo much to learn.
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Hard questions, they all blow white smoke. I have a .36 and several .44s. I find the 44s are easier to find supplies for, at least here. The steel frames are stronger but with the proper loads it makes no difference. JYD will come along and expand on this subject.
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That only looks like a Navy Colt, that is Piettas own creation, the real Colt Navy was never made with a brass frame or available in .44, they were all.36. The good part is Pietta has been making that revolver over 50 years, it's the least expensive way to get into black powder revolvers and the one I highly recommend. After all you may not like BP revolver shooting so why spend big for one of the steel frame Colt Navy type revolvers as your first. If the brass Pietta .44 is available then start with that, keep your loads around 25-30 grains or the brass frame can shoot loose over time, and use a .454 ball. The .454 shaves a slightly larger ring as it goes into the chamber but it seals tighter so it's worth the extra rammer effort. As for the rest of the questions, start with the basic long barrel model, it's the least expensive, and as it comes only in .44 don't worry about the .36 for now. Cabelas here in the states runs sales on these with the full starter kit sometimes, I don't know if they can be imported into Canada.
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The revolver in my signature picture is a Navy Colt, Model of 1861 by Uberti, it is a correct .36
Leave it as it is. The ages have been at work on it and man can only mar it.
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Thank you for the info JYD,it is much appreciated.
Think I'll order the .44 in a brass frame and keep the loads on the lighter side.
btw.... do you use that butter bore stuff when you load?
Think I'll order the .44 in a brass frame and keep the loads on the lighter side.
btw.... do you use that butter bore stuff when you load?
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No, I use wonder wads over the powder charge. It seals against chain fire and avoids the mess of that greasy crap all over the place
http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_in ... ts_id=3561
http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_in ... ts_id=3561
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You can also stack wonder wads to fill up chamber volume when using reduced loads as you will be doing with 20-30 grains, the .44 chamber will hold 45 grains of FFFG. The rammer only has so much travel and you do not want to leave an air gap between powder and ball when dealing with black powder.
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Jim has given you all the information you need now. All I can add is.....go buy it! You will never be sorry you got into Black Powder ..... ever.
I'm like Jim......that "bore butter" is the same as Crisco. Way too messy for me. And really, not as good as far as I'm concerned. Just make sure you use something. If you have ever had a "chainn fire" in one of those, you will not forget it! When you get the pistol, you will notice there is a way for the ball to escape on every chamber in the cylinder at any time. That's on purpose! The grease works, but so do the wads just as well without the mess.
Just like Jim recommended, buy a starter kit if you can.
Dolk
I'm like Jim......that "bore butter" is the same as Crisco. Way too messy for me. And really, not as good as far as I'm concerned. Just make sure you use something. If you have ever had a "chainn fire" in one of those, you will not forget it! When you get the pistol, you will notice there is a way for the ball to escape on every chamber in the cylinder at any time. That's on purpose! The grease works, but so do the wads just as well without the mess.
Just like Jim recommended, buy a starter kit if you can.
Dolk
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I've got a couple of those Pietta .44's. They are great fun! As Dolk said, go buy it!
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Order is placed.
And thanks again for all the geat info.
And thanks again for all the geat info.
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Sonny did you get it from Cabelas? The Pietta's are on sale right now. 199.00 for a brass frame 44, 219.00 for a steel frame. I have a brass frame Remington 1858 replica made by Pietta in 1973. I really enjoy these. The short barrel revolvers are usually loaded with the cylinder removed and placed in a stand. I guess it depends how short. Good luck Sonny.
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This is the one I want. I love the round barrel and color case frame. http://www.cabelas.com/product/shooting ... 705022.uts
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Our Cabelas didn't have any so I ordered it from Marstar..And yes I paid a bit more but then the Canuck buck is worth less that the US Greenback so it all works out.bunkysdad wrote:Sonny did you get it from Cabelas? The Pietta's are on sale right now. 199.00 for a brass frame 44, 219.00 for a steel frame. I have a brass frame Remington 1858 replica made by Pietta in 1973. I really enjoy these. The short barrel revolvers are usually loaded with the cylinder removed and placed in a stand. I guess it depends how short. Good luck Sonny.
http://www.marstar.ca/dynamic/product.j ... ctid=76186
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Nice pistol and nice price.bunkysdad wrote:This is the one I want. I love the round barrel and color case frame. http://www.cabelas.com/product/shooting ... 705022.uts
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I forget that you are in Canada. This will be nice with your other bp rifles you have.
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I bought one of the kit revolvers from Service Merchandise back in the 70's and built it myself. I liked that as I was able to leave the stock oversize and slightly rough to better fit my hands.
Leave it as it is. The ages have been at work on it and man can only mar it.
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You have to clean them after firing. It is a must. The 1851 Navy in its original caliber of .36 is my all time favorite. Perfect balance and aesthetically perfect. I like the Remingon New Army also, very sturdy, great revolver. It was a .44.
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So my Pietta should be here on Wednesday. (day I go back up north for work)
But I have another question.. What size caps would it use 10's or 11's?
I already ordered some .44 cal dia.454 balls and some wonder wads.
*edit*
Nevermind... google is my friend.
But I have another question.. What size caps would it use 10's or 11's?
I already ordered some .44 cal dia.454 balls and some wonder wads.
*edit*
Nevermind... google is my friend.