New user, New Mosin, unsure of date or manufacturer AZF + [SA] Hex M91.

[ffuries]

I didn't see a picture of the entire rifle so I cannot comment on if the forestock has been cut off. From the pictures it's possible though. Why someone would do that is beyond me. It is not uncommon to see M-91's without a hand guard. Don't think you can get them anymore for under $150 and it likely wouldn't match anyway.

Remington

Nice gun BTW. I'm sure if she could talk, she'd have some good stories to tell.

That last photo I posted (the splice and some of the barrel) should show what I'm talking about. I'm assuming someone took a hacksaw to it, though no I don't have a top handguard piece either. Or barrel bands. Or anything really

OK, now I see it, it looks like the last 17 inches of the stock is missing. Looks like someone cut it right around where the rear barrel band goes. That sucks, M91 stocks aren't the easiest to find.

[KoboldBlackpaw]

I didn't see a picture of the entire rifle so I cannot comment on if the forestock has been cut off. From the pictures it's possible though. Why someone would do that is beyond me. It is not uncommon to see M-91's without a hand guard. Don't think you can get them anymore for under $150 and it likely wouldn't match anyway.

Remington

Nice gun BTW. I'm sure if she could talk, she'd have some good stories to tell.

That last photo I posted (the splice and some of the barrel) should show what I'm talking about. I'm assuming someone took a hacksaw to it, though no I don't have a top handguard piece either. Or barrel bands. Or anything really

OK, now I see it, it looks like the last 17 inches of the stock is missing. Looks like someone cut it right around where the rear barrel band goes. That sucks, M91 stocks aren't the easiest to find.

Aye, sure seems that way. Ah well, she can still shoot as is, I'm sure! Just gotta be careful where I touch her It's a shame someone would do that, but I suppose it's a part of her history, no need to change it.

[ffuries]

Bubba had plans and never finished it, shame on one hand, but thank god he didn't cut the barrel and such.

You'll need a M91 stock, two M91 barrel bands, and a M91 cleaning rod. Hunt ebay, gunbroker, and gunsamerica for the stock and cleaning rod (I found a M91 rod for $30.00 on ebay recently for my M24) , barrel bands Libertytreecollectors might have them.

[KoboldBlackpaw]

I'm actually planning on finding a broken M91 stock that I can use to splice so I can keep it's original stock and preserve the history as much as possible while making shooting a bit safer.

Speaking of shooting it - what is the D for anyways? I know it means they rechambered it, but what is the D-166 round exactly? And is it safe to shoot standard milsurp Soviet rounds out of it (just bought a case of LPS recently.)

Another question - what info is there about the Czechs and Austrians using these rifles, as my rifle tells me? There's a little info on the Austro's but all I can find about the rampant lion is "yeah Czech used it."

[ffuries]

I'm actually planning on finding a broken M91 stock that I can use to splice so I can keep it's original stock and preserve the history as much as possible while making shooting a bit safer.

Speaking of shooting it - what is the D for anyways? I know it means they rechambered it, but what is the D-166 round exactly? And is it safe to shoot standard milsurp Soviet rounds out of it (just bought a case of LPS recently.)

Another question - what info is there about the Czechs and Austrians using these rifles, as my rifle tells me? There's a little info on the Austro's but all I can find about the rampant lion is "yeah Czech used it."

Austrian captured/acquired M91 Mosin Nagants were sent to numerous countries to include Czechoslovakia as reparations in the 1920's, in turn Finland purchased M91's from several countries starting in the 1920's to include Czechoslovakia in the 1930's.

So from Russia, to Austria, to Czechoslovakia, to Finland what a journey this rifle has had. For more precise information see below link.

http://hungariae.com/Mosi91.htm

[KoboldBlackpaw]

Austrian captured/acquired M91 Mosin Nagants were sent to numerous countries to include Czechoslovakia as reparations in the 1920's, in turn Finland purchased M91's from several countries starting in the 1920's to include Czechoslovakia in the 1930's.

So from Russia, to Austria, to Czechoslovakia, to Finland what a journey this rifle has had. For more precise information see below link.

http://hungariae.com/Mosi91.htm

Oh, thank you! That's awesome to learn it's probable journey. I'm so excited to have such a piece of history. Multitudes of wars.

[zeebill]

Butchered sporter by the look of it. There's some strange stuff on this post! $150 parts gun maybe? Bill

[KoboldBlackpaw]

Butchered sporter by the look of it. There's some strange stuff on this post! $150 parts gun maybe? Bill

Luckily not a completed sporter. Either that or the stock broke and they were trying to do what I'm going to do to fix it. Hopefully I can find a busted stock someone is willing to sell me.

[zeebill]

Once a rifle is started on the road to a sporter it is flat too much money, time, and parts these days to bother and try at replace the offended parts with unbutchered parts. From a conservative point of view this is especially true with an M91. An M91/30 is more possible to try and repair and make more like it was issued. It when brought more toward normal issue condition will never have a true history anymore to most collectors. I will sometimes buy them for less than $100 for some of the reusable parts that remain unmessed with.

Another thing with sporters is the bubba's who make them freely trade parts and rarely recheck the resultant head space and other clearances they end up with. This can make a ticking time bomb to the new owners. 90% of the bad Mosin head spaces I find are on sporters some Bubba threw together for resale. At least most of the refurbs are safe and good shooters at higher prices these days with the market but at least safe to shoot after safety checking.

Actual prices of available Mosins these days is quite mind boggling as most times I can buy a Finnish Mosin for less money than a refurbished 91/30 Mosin. My taste goes toward a usually better shooting Mosin than a refurbed parts rifle 91/30 any day but others think different these days. To each their own I guess!!! Bill

[KoboldBlackpaw]

I mostly am interested in making it shootable without worrying about burning my hand off. The stock is thankfully the only part messed with. I also don't really plan on selling it as I find the history behind it absolutely fascinating, and for a 100$ gun from an auction it now has history with me. While I know something is only original once, I would hate to hang it up in the rack and never shoot it because of safety and wear. Clean it up enough to make safe and a little prettier, and keep it, is what I would like to do.

[millman]

If it passes headspace, it should be safe to shoot. Shoot it and enjoy it.

[zeebill]

If it passes headspace, it should be safe to shoot. Shoot it and enjoy it.

Gee without a decent overall picture and only checking head space you safety check it over line statement from a new collector. You are sure he knows enough to do that and ok it online too. Not my head and eyes so Good Luck! Quite a cavalier approach? Bill

[bunkysdad]

So Bill, it sounds like you have seen a lot of exploding milsurps in your long and impressive collecting life. I haven't been at it nearly as long, which is probably why I've never seen it happen, except for the occasional over-loaded, over-pressured hand loaded ammunition.

[zeebill]

So Bill, it sounds like you have seen a lot of exploding milsurps in your long and impressive collecting life. I haven't been at it nearly as long, which is probably why I've never seen it happen, except for the occasional over-loaded, over-pressured hand loaded ammunition.

So lets find out this, would it take you over one to be impressed enough to check your rifles closer? If it does I wish you luck in the future and no I will not be sharing your rifles Thank You! Bill

[capt14k]

Did Zeebill get banned for disagreeing over the safety check of a rifle?


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[capt14k]

As for the parts I regularly have them but they aren't cheap.

Stock = $125
Handguard = $125
Barrel Bands = $40
Front Hanger = $25
Front Escutcheon = $10
Cleaning Rod = $50

Total $375.

It's definitely cheaper to buy a M91 complete but it's always nice to rescue one.




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[KoboldBlackpaw]

Jeez this place sure took a turn! As for parts I'm just looking for a broken stock I can fit up. I doubt one will come up but it would be nice to save as much of the original as possible. When I say safe to shoot, too, I more mean knowing it's safe to shoot but not being able to accidentally grip the barrel, and having more of a stock to use. Handguard doesn't bother me too much, it's all parts I can find *eventually*.

[capt14k]

Jeez this place sure took a turn! As for parts I'm just looking for a broken stock I can fit up. I doubt one will come up but it would be nice to save as much of the original as possible. When I say safe to shoot, too, I more mean knowing it's safe to shoot but not being able to accidentally grip the barrel, and having more of a stock to use. Handguard doesn't bother me too much, it's all parts I can find *eventually*.

I can bring in a broken stock if you are interested. Cracked at the tang. That would be about half the price plus shipping.

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[KoboldBlackpaw]

Jeez this place sure took a turn! As for parts I'm just looking for a broken stock I can fit up. I doubt one will come up but it would be nice to save as much of the original as possible. When I say safe to shoot, too, I more mean knowing it's safe to shoot but not being able to accidentally grip the barrel, and having more of a stock to use. Handguard doesn't bother me too much, it's all parts I can find *eventually*.

I can bring in a broken stock if you are interested. Cracked at the tang. That would be about half the price plus shipping.

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If it would work for splicing into this stock I would definitely be interested, so long as the forend is intact. If you have the same Finnish swing swivel I would also be interested in that.

[capt14k]

Jeez this place sure took a turn! As for parts I'm just looking for a broken stock I can fit up. I doubt one will come up but it would be nice to save as much of the original as possible. When I say safe to shoot, too, I more mean knowing it's safe to shoot but not being able to accidentally grip the barrel, and having more of a stock to use. Handguard doesn't bother me too much, it's all parts I can find *eventually*.

I can bring in a broken stock if you are interested. Cracked at the tang. That would be about half the price plus shipping.

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If it would work for splicing into this stock I would definitely be interested, so long as the forend is intact. If you have the same Finnish swing swivel I would also be interested in that.

I only have a complete sling swivel set currently (front and rear), but I can see about getting just some fronts. Others have asked too. I should have stocks in February.

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