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Here is the link to the text of the proposed bill. Contact your Representative today and tell them why you do not support the proposed bill and why it should not be passed.

https://cicilline.house.gov/sites/cicil ... f_2018.pdf

I have contacted my Representative with my concerns and have requested a response. Everyone here should also do the same. If (for some reason) you do not know who your U.S. Representative is, go to the House website and use the search tool.

:arrow: https://www.house.gov/
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"soapbox2:

Bump stocks
AR15
AK47's
your semi SKS's and M1 Garand
Then your hunting rifles
Then we start on hand guns. Semi's first
Then revolvers
Now bolt actions
Then muzzle loaders
right on down the list.

Either we stand as a group, or we will surly die as individuals.

They are not just after bump stocks or AR15's, that is just a start for them. Like eating an elephant. You can do it if you take your time and eat one bit at a time till it is all gone. This is their goal.

They have been doing this to us here in California and we have got very little help from outside. In fact, we get snide comments about us living here and not leaving...well, now they are knocking at your door too. We told you they would be.

You have to decide how far you are willing to let them push you before you say NO. It's simple.

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awalker1829 wrote:Here is the link to the text of the proposed bill. Contact your Representative today and tell them why you do not support the proposed bill and why it should not be passed.

https://cicilline.house.gov/sites/cicil ... f_2018.pdf

I have contacted my Representative with my concerns and have requested a response. Everyone here should also do the same. If (for some reason) you do not know who your U.S. Representative is, go to the House website and use the search tool.

:arrow: https://www.house.gov/
Sadly my representatives (gun grabbing libs) are fully on board with this proposal. That said, the rest of you all need to get on this. As dolk said, they have already hosed us in NY and CA, you guys are next.
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thughes wrote:
awalker1829 wrote:Here is the link to the text of the proposed bill. Contact your Representative today and tell them why you do not support the proposed bill and why it should not be passed.

https://cicilline.house.gov/sites/cicil ... f_2018.pdf

I have contacted my Representative with my concerns and have requested a response. Everyone here should also do the same. If (for some reason) you do not know who your U.S. Representative is, go to the House website and use the search tool.

:arrow: https://www.house.gov/
Sadly my representatives (gun grabbing libs) are fully on board with this proposal. That said, the rest of you all need to get on this. As dolk said, they have already hosed us in NY and CA, you guys are next.
True, I am not allowed to own a bump stock here in California. That being said, I don't desire one, but if I'm to expect those who want a bumpstock to help me out, then I have to be willing to do the same for them. Not throw them under the bus so I can get these guys off my back (temporarily). They do not quit. Neither should we.


I'd be willing to bet most of the members of this forums are not NRA members, which is fine. But if you are not, you need to do something and stand up for your rights. If you are sitting back and letting the NRA fight for you without doing anything yourself, then what ever is decided is what will happen and you do not have the right to bitch about it. It is coming down to a showdown very soon. Politicians willing to give the other side a bone (your rights) to get out from under the pressures. Now we will see what you are made of.... :wink:
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I contacted my congressman asking that he aggressively fight this bill. We cannot allow them to push gun control any further than they already have!
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The founding Fathers knew these people very well......... and worried what they would do.

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"A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined..."
- George Washington, First Annual Address, to both House of Congress, January 8, 1790

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776

"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787

"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776

"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 19, 1785

"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824

"On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823

"I enclose you a list of the killed, wounded, and captives of the enemy from the commencement of hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until November, 1777, since which there has been no event of any consequence ... I think that upon the whole it has been about one half the number lost by them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in our army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Giovanni Fabbroni, June 8, 1778

“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

"To disarm the people...s the most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788

"I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers."
- George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops."
- Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787

"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country."
- James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789

"...the ultimate authority, wherever the derivative may be found, resides in the people alone..."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
- William Pitt (the Younger), Speech in the House of Commons, November 18, 1783

“A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
- Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
- Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778

"This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty.... The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction."
- St. George Tucker, Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England, 1803

"The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms, like law, discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The balance ofpower is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside. And while a single nation refuses to lay them down, it is proper that all should keep them up. Horrid mischief would ensue were one-half the world deprived of the use of them; for while avarice and ambition have a place in the heart of man, the weak will become a prey to the strong. The history of every age and nation establishes these truths, and facts need but little arguments when they prove themselves."
- Thomas Paine, "Thoughts on Defensive War" in Pennsylvania Magazine, July 1775

"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788

"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
- Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, 1833

"What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty .... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins."
- Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, I Annals of Congress 750, August 17, 1789

"For it is a truth, which the experience of ages has attested, that the people are always most in danger when the means of injuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 25, December 21, 1787

"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

"f circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28, January 10, 1788

"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms."
- Tench Coxe, Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789


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Ya know i would try to contact my Senator but i think he`s still recuperating from the verbal ass kicking that a teenager gave him last week.
I would try to contact my Governor but he`s busy selling out 18 to 20 year old Americans constitutional rights.
I would try to contact my President but he`s busy stabbing those who voted him into office in the back.
I would try to contact the supreme court but only one member has any love for the 2nd. amendment.
I don`t know about the rest of you but i feel the time for talk has about run out.
This isn`t going to end well, if it happens this year, January of next year or 2020.
My only regret is they waited until i`m in my 50s .
This last shooting is their Reichstag's fire.
Remember what that group of socialists did in 1938, first the guns then the one way train ride.

Flash forward; 2022 " Who needs a rifle capable of accurate fire at 400 yds.? You don`t need that for self defense.
Please don`t shoot the messenger, i`m just as pissed as the rest of you.
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I would contact, I would try but...Bullshit, do it anyway. What do you have to loose?
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“I would, but...” is a cop out. There’s no sitting on the fence now. Call your representative and make your opinion known. Tell your gun buddies to do the same as well.
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Longcolt44 wrote:I would contact, I would try but...Bullshit, do it anyway. What do you have to loose?
I do contact my reps on every gun bill, however futile it may be...just to make my voice heard. Sadly, when your rep is the current democrat Senate Minority Leader, you're opinion falls on deaf ears.
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Any gun control discussion needs to start with one Truth. The Liberals want to repeal the 2nd Amendment. Don’t care what they say that’s their real agenda. Truth is not a value oe the Left.
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thughes wrote:
Longcolt44 wrote:I would contact, I would try but...Bullshit, do it anyway. What do you have to loose?
I do contact my reps on every gun bill, however futile it may be...just to make my voice heard. Sadly, when your rep is the current democrat Senate Minority Leader, you're opinion falls on deaf ears.
I emailed my state senator in regards to my opposition to a particular gun-ban bill. Their response was to let me know that my message will be passed on to the senator and thanked me for SUPPORTING the proposed ban. I wrote back an let them know how disenfranchised I felt by them changing my opposition to support and questioned how many other peoples opposition was likewise altered. Absolutely unbelievable. Ok, unfortunately with these people its completely believable..
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Lotema wrote:
I emailed my state senator in regards to my opposition to a particular gun-ban bill. Their response was to let me know that my message will be passed on to the senator and thanked me for SUPPORTING the proposed ban. I wrote back an let them know how disenfranchised I felt by them changing my opposition to support and questioned how many other peoples opposition was likewise altered. Absolutely unbelievable. Ok, unfortunately with these people its completely believable..
Good on you man. Out here, putting that on your automatic response would be political suicide. Take a copy of the full text of the bill to your local range and post it for the members to read (if management will allow you). We need every gun owner to read it, see how bad it really is and contact their representatives.
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[quote="awalker1829"]“I would, but...” is a cop out. There’s no sitting on the fence now. Call your representative and make your opinion known. Tell your gun buddies to do the same as well.[/quote

Your entitled to your opinion, as am i. As far as a cop out goes , expressing how i see things unfolding since the latest shooting by stating what i have seen coming from those in power is just that,an opinion.
I myself am a Patriot Benefactor Life member of the NRA. I not only call my legislators i give them my hard earned money, along with the NRA.
If you or the other member who called bullshit have something constructive to offer this conversation i would be glad not only to read it, i would enjoy reading any informative information you may offer.
Given what iv`e seen on the media, given what i`ve seen our president say about the NRA, the organization that helped elect him i wonder if he considers this just another business deal. He got what he wanted right ? We all voted for him right ? And why ? " you`re second amendment rights are safe with me"
Republican lawmakers were in a fight for their political careers even before this shooting. Too bad when you call them they don`t tell you the truth, were going to do whatever to save our asses, even if it burns you.
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The thing is, there are far more gun owners out there that are not members of the NRA or GOA. What we need to do is get the word out to those people and make certain that they understand just how bad the proposed bill will be. I would suggest that those of us who frequent public or club ranges literally post a printed copy where folks can read it. I’m going to suggest that to my club.
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The bill has about as much chance getting through the House of Representatives as the chance that monkeys may fly out of my ass. It is political posturing, not intended to pass. I ain't a'scared of no ghost.
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SA1911a1 wrote:The bill has about as much chance getting through the House of Representatives as the chance that monkeys may fly out of my ass. It is political posturing, not intended to pass. If the worst happened the President wouldn't sign it. I ain't a'scared of no ghost.
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Dick's Sporting Goods has jumped on the Left's BS. While they already stopped selling AR15's after Sandy Hook and never did sell bumpfire stocks, they just announced that they will no longer sell ammo to anyone under 21 and will not carry "high capacity magazines".

Walmart just raised firearm and ammo sales to 21 as well.
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We are getting sold down the river, all while being called "great people and wonderful patriots". Reminds me of someone telling me it's raining while pissing down my back.

I contact all my federal, state, and local representatives over all types of issues several times a month. At this point all we can do is keep contacting our representatives, and take names on how their votes and actions affect us so we know who not to vote for. It sucks being a pee-on citizen, but that ladies and gentleman is our lot in life.

I think we are in for a bumpy ride. My wife says I'm a pessimist. I call myself a realist. So much for the SHARE Act and national concealed carry reciprocity. I keep trying to tell myself how much worse it would be if Hillary were in office, but at least if she were in office I wouldn't feel betrayed by those who are supposedly on our side.

I"m sick of politicians, and I'm sick of an over reaching Federal government. I don't like bump stocks being banned by executive order. It's Congress's job to pass law, Trump's job to sign or veto it, and the Supreme Court's to uphold or over turn it if it is challenged. Don't get me wrong, I think bump stocks are stupid. IMHO banning bump stocks is like banning people from owning a Corvette because "no one should go over 100mph".

I also didn't like Trump's statement that "I like taking the guns early," the president said. "... Take the guns first, go through due process second." Sure, let's just throw due process out the window because I'm president.

I'm a member of the NRA, and a member of the GOA also. I highly recommend anyone who is not a member to put their money where their mouth is. It's obvious that our elected officials are not going to listen to us individually, so let's remind them collectively. Ben Franklin once said, "We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately.

I haven't been too happy with the NRA since the Vegas shooting last year, but Wayne Lapierre did give a heck of a speech at CPAC last week. Dana Loesch going into the den of snakes and toe to toe with Sheriff Israel last week on CNN was pretty ballsy too. It's monumental the failure of state and federal law enforcement on so many levels regarding the piece of shit (I refuse to name him) who did the shooting two weeks ago, yet us law abiding gun owners are the ones who get the blame.

One person who surprised me yesterday was Paul Ryan.
Speaker Paul Ryan; "we'll look at system failures, not gun control".

WASHINGTON — Speaker Paul Ryan said Tuesday that House Republicans would focus on law enforcement failures, not tighter gun control, in the wake of the latest mass shooting, which left 17 children and educators dead at a Florida school on Feb. 14.

"There was a colossal breakdown in the system," Ryan, R-Wis., told reporters at a news conference on Tuesday. Ryan cited inaction by a deputy stationed outside the school and tips called in to federal and local law enforcement officials about the alleged shooter, Nikolas Cruz, which raised concerns that the 19-year-old was planning such a rampage.
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Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war



O, pardon me, thou bleeding piece of earth,
That I am meek and gentle with these butchers!
Thou art the ruins of the noblest man
That ever lived in the tide of times.
Woe to the hand that shed this costly blood!
Over thy wounds now do I prophesy,--
Which, like dumb mouths, do ope their ruby lips,
To beg the voice and utterance of my tongue--
A curse shall light upon the limbs of men;
Domestic fury and fierce civil strife
Shall cumber all the parts of Italy;
Blood and destruction shall be so in use
And dreadful objects so familiar
That mothers shall but smile when they behold
Their infants quarter'd with the hands of war;
All pity choked with custom of fell deeds:
And Caesar's spirit, ranging for revenge,
With Ate by his side come hot from hell,
Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice
Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war;
That this foul deed shall smell above the earth
With carrion men, groaning for burial.

Mark Antony in Act 3, Scene 1, line 273 of William Shakespeare's Julius Caesar
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