Experimental Mosin-Nagant Rifle Chambered in 7.62x39mm

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Experimental Mosin-Nagant Rifle Chambered in 7.62x39mm

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Experimental Mosin-Nagant Rifle Chambered in 7.62x39mm

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017 ... 7-62x39mm/
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4 years of work certainly makes you wonder how many were produced and are sitting in a crate somewhere. Probably very few if any but you never know.

There are a lot of interesting post war variants in Chumaks book. Some really blended the SMS and mosin even more.
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A 10 round light recoil M-44 ! I'll take two :thumbsup:
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Detailed pictures of MK-74 were published in recent M91 book by R.Chumak. There were two models, one with blade bayonet, another - with spike bayonet, only few of them were produced for trials.
Also, there were other designs of the 7,62*39 weapons, based on M44, for example, few models were created by Rukavishnikov. And, modification that were tested on MK-74 carbines, soon were used at trial M44 model for 7,62*54 cartridge.
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Makes you wonder what would have happened if they adopted this rifle in 1942-1943? I suspect the M-44 was adopted as it was because of the .54r cartridge. This carbine, I suspect, would have been really popular with the troops... But, I guess the thought of manufacturing and distributing new ammunition at this point didn't make much sense to them. I'd love to have one of these though...
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First tasks about intermediate cartridge weapons design were issued to soviet constructors only in autumn 1943, they were about assault rifles and self-loading carbines and rifles.
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In the 1942 or so time frame another Mosin variant was tested. A mosin "style" antitank gun. Very long cartridge. I suspect there were others also. I'm not sure how many but I'd bet there were few of each type made.

Testing is fine but their problem probably was production. When you are having difficulties producing a standard rifle (at times), adding something new would only aggravate that problem. Best to stay with what is working if you are having production problems. Stay with the basics first.
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qz2026 wrote:Makes you wonder what would have happened if they adopted this rifle in 1942-1943? I suspect the M-44 was adopted as it was because of the .54r cartridge. This carbine, I suspect, would have been really popular with the troops... But, I guess the thought of manufacturing and distributing new ammunition at this point didn't make much sense to them. I'd love to have one of these though...
Stalin wanted to stay with the 7.62x54r, because uh....just because. Plenty of weapons and ammo on hand I reckon.
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dolk wrote:In the 1942 or so time frame another Mosin variant was tested. A mosin "style" antitank gun. Very long cartridge. I suspect there were others also. I'm not sure how many but I'd bet there were few of each type made.

Testing is fine but their problem probably was production. When you are having difficulties producing a standard rifle (at times), adding something new would only aggravate that problem. Best to stay with what is working if you are having production problems. Stay with the basics first.
Such rifles were tested in early-mid 1930's. I have detailed info, drawings, etc. Everything will be published in new book
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It is always interesting to see another Mosin variant. Nice presentation on the site and thanks for the link.
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