Thought I would submit these photos and see if anyone could identify some of the marks that are on this rifle.
-Diamond with a x in the middle (this is located just under the Izhevsk arsenal mark)
-I'm guessing that the symbol under the 1944r is a refurbishment mark
-Circle w/ a H in the middle
-The two "U"s in a box in image DSC05552s
-The O in parenthesis (looks like "()" but probably is just a poorly struck O) in same image DSC05552s and seen better in image DSC05551s
Lastly I can't help but wonder about the miss-strike on the receiver. On the top of the receiver it is stamped YAE 'R'E 6056 and on the side of the very same receiver it is stamped YAE 8056 (but no 'R'E). That serial number is also found on every other part of the rifle (that normally has a serial number. The only cross-out is found on the floor plate - 803 has a line struck through it and 'R'E 6056 stamped in place (but no YAE). If it were found otherwise on a part of the rifle that detaches from the receiver I would have thought is was a mismatch. Maybe a little too much vodka that day?
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ID-ing Marks on Izhevsk M44
ID-ing Marks on Izhevsk M44
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Re: ID-ing Marks on Izhevsk M44
The YAE is an english translation of the Russian backward R and the e. The translation, and the # on the receiver were stamped on by the importer.
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Re: ID-ing Marks on Izhevsk M44
Very nice, the serial number applied to the side of the receiver was put there by the importer who brought the rifle into the country around 15-20 years ago in this case as the rules changed in the early 00's regarding import markings. Rifles today have a big banner style import mark in the spot were that serial number is today. As for the other markings, they are unknown as are most of the small markings on these rifles. The Russians have not shared the information, and are not likely to.
Line outs are common on buttlpates and floorplates, no Vodka, just how they force matched the parts to the rifle when they were being too lazy to grind off the old number during the refurb.
Line outs are common on buttlpates and floorplates, no Vodka, just how they force matched the parts to the rifle when they were being too lazy to grind off the old number during the refurb.
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Re: ID-ing Marks on Izhevsk M44
Very cool. Stampings seem to be infinite and very interesting. This is the first time that I have seen stamping like this. It's almost like for every new "administrator" at the armory there were new inspection markings of methods employed. Could all come down to something that person thought was appropriate - perhaps their initials. As JYD says, we'll never know. One thing for sure is that these folks loved to stamp all over the rifle.
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A lot of it comes from multiple refurbishments, field repairs, and of course the original build, each added a layer of stampings over the decades of the rifles service.
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Re: ID-ing Marks on Izhevsk M44
1932 Izhevsk 91/30 Hex
1943 Izhevsk 91/30
1943 Izhevsk 91/30
Re: ID-ing Marks on Izhevsk M44
Thanks for the great info. Then I guess the importer was not paying attention when they struck the serial number on the side of the receiver. Or maybe they just needed better glasses. The six can look like an "8" to someone with blurry vision.
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They were stamping tens of thousands of rifles from across the globe, accidents do happen.
Leave it as it is. The ages have been at work on it and man can only mar it.
Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.
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Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.
Theodore Roosevelt