Showcase Submission/1925 Tula 5-Line M1891/59
Showcase Submission/1925 Tula 5-Line M1891/59
This is the showcase submission of a 1925 Tula 5-Line M1891/59 in pristine condition.
This is one of three early dated M91/59's in my collection. As I have indicated in previous posts, I have an affinity for M91/59 carbines. I have found the discipline (somehow) to pass by duplicate (year/armory) M91/59's although difficult. I can't say no, however, to unique or year/armory models I don't have. These carbines and Mosin Nagants, in general, will surely be my undoing.
The "Five Line" refers literally to five lines of logo information on the barrel shank - in this case translated as "Foremost Ordnance Factory (of the) USSR at Tula". USSR relating to the "CCCP" (the Cyrillic initials for Soyuz Sovetskikh Sotsialisticheskikh Respublik or Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, i.e., "USSR"). Barrels so designated refer to Tula pre-1928 M91's or Dragoon's. For only a few years Tula, and only Tula, used this 5-Line scheme. Below the Tula star and above the date, 1925, are these five lines of information.
We have no serial number records to go by, but the 1925 Tula was originally made as M91's (either as an Infantry rifle or a Dragoon). In the early 1920's it is not unusual to find receivers with dates earlier than the dates on the barrel an example of which was my 1924 M91-59 submission with an 1898 receiver. The Soviets either re-used older receivers or used older receivers that were in inventory but still new. Generally speaking, both Tula and Izhevsk made Dragoons from 1893 to 1932. Both made Infantry models from 1892 to 1926. Since the barrels have been shortened we do not know if they were originally Infantry rifles or Dragoons. Most M91's were upgraded to M91/30 status (re: the M91/30 front and rear sights) and then some of those converted M91/30's were made into M91/59 carbines.
The jury is virtually "in" on whether the M91-59's were manufactured in The Soviet Union or Bulgaria - and the consensus is the Soviet Union.
The rectangular boxes on the heel of the buttstock with numbers like "17" and "20" are ceeded to be Bulgarian. Century imported approximately 25K M91/59's from Bulgaria. That gave rise to the rumors or "urban legend" that they were made in Bulgaria. Bulgaria, however, was one of the larger Soviet repair depots and storage facilities like Ukraine (where most of the Soviet imports have came from over the last 10 to 15 years). Just because they bear Bulgarian inventory or inspector stampings on the stocks does not prove that they were made there.
Description: Mosin Nagant, M1891/59 carbine
Caliber: 7.62/54r
Barrel: Tula 1925 5-Line
Receiver: Tula 1925
Bore: Very Good
Overall Condition: Exceptional - flawless metal and 100% bluing. Pristine stock with outstanding wood grain.
This is one of three early dated M91/59's in my collection. As I have indicated in previous posts, I have an affinity for M91/59 carbines. I have found the discipline (somehow) to pass by duplicate (year/armory) M91/59's although difficult. I can't say no, however, to unique or year/armory models I don't have. These carbines and Mosin Nagants, in general, will surely be my undoing.
The "Five Line" refers literally to five lines of logo information on the barrel shank - in this case translated as "Foremost Ordnance Factory (of the) USSR at Tula". USSR relating to the "CCCP" (the Cyrillic initials for Soyuz Sovetskikh Sotsialisticheskikh Respublik or Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, i.e., "USSR"). Barrels so designated refer to Tula pre-1928 M91's or Dragoon's. For only a few years Tula, and only Tula, used this 5-Line scheme. Below the Tula star and above the date, 1925, are these five lines of information.
We have no serial number records to go by, but the 1925 Tula was originally made as M91's (either as an Infantry rifle or a Dragoon). In the early 1920's it is not unusual to find receivers with dates earlier than the dates on the barrel an example of which was my 1924 M91-59 submission with an 1898 receiver. The Soviets either re-used older receivers or used older receivers that were in inventory but still new. Generally speaking, both Tula and Izhevsk made Dragoons from 1893 to 1932. Both made Infantry models from 1892 to 1926. Since the barrels have been shortened we do not know if they were originally Infantry rifles or Dragoons. Most M91's were upgraded to M91/30 status (re: the M91/30 front and rear sights) and then some of those converted M91/30's were made into M91/59 carbines.
The jury is virtually "in" on whether the M91-59's were manufactured in The Soviet Union or Bulgaria - and the consensus is the Soviet Union.
The rectangular boxes on the heel of the buttstock with numbers like "17" and "20" are ceeded to be Bulgarian. Century imported approximately 25K M91/59's from Bulgaria. That gave rise to the rumors or "urban legend" that they were made in Bulgaria. Bulgaria, however, was one of the larger Soviet repair depots and storage facilities like Ukraine (where most of the Soviet imports have came from over the last 10 to 15 years). Just because they bear Bulgarian inventory or inspector stampings on the stocks does not prove that they were made there.
Description: Mosin Nagant, M1891/59 carbine
Caliber: 7.62/54r
Barrel: Tula 1925 5-Line
Receiver: Tula 1925
Bore: Very Good
Overall Condition: Exceptional - flawless metal and 100% bluing. Pristine stock with outstanding wood grain.
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Lookin good. You have a few of these now don't you?
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WOW! What a Beauty!
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Outstanding a great addition to any collection.
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What is the difference between a 1891/59 and a M38???
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M38s were made as carbines, with carbine rear sights. The 91/59s are 91/30s and ex-dragoons, that have been cut down. They have the rifle rear sights, but the higher elevation numbers have been milled off.Gsragtop wrote:What is the difference between a 1891/59 and a M38???
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Wow, neat... Thanks for the heads up !!millman wrote:M38s were made as carbines, with carbine rear sights. The 91/59s are 91/30s and ex-dragoons, that have been cut down. They have the rifle rear sights, but the higher elevation numbers have been milled off.Gsragtop wrote:What is the difference between a 1891/59 and a M38???
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I love these, they almost have the appearance of a bull barrel. How does it shoot? They have a reputation for great accuracy.
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Got to be one of the nicest I have seen. Showcase is fine with me.
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Very nice indeed.
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I haven't shot this one yet and it might be a while until I do. I have some rifles now that I may never shoot. My newer ones (round receiver's) are very accurate. In most cases when you saw off the end of a barrel, you end up with one that is better. And when they built these things, I don't think they were looking for donors with shot out barrels.bunkysdad wrote:I love these, they almost have the appearance of a bull barrel. How does it shoot? They have a reputation for great accuracy.
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Yeahdesdem12 wrote:Lookin good. You have a few of these now don't you?
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got my vote
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Mine too!
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Wow, another cool 91/59. Yes on the showcase.
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Way cool, has my vote!!
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Beautiful 91/59, defiantly beat mine
and I vote yes
and I vote yes
1943 Izhevsk M91/59 sanitized
1894 Izhevsk M1891 SA
1894 Izhevsk M1891 SA
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Leave it as it is. The ages have been at work on it and man can only mar it.
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"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it". Mark Twain
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